Growing Beyond Podcast | Industry Leaders Series EP03 with Gerry Doyle

Episode Title: Industry Leaders Series
Guest: Gerry Doyle – Chief Executive Officer, Tonkin
Episode Overview
This episode features Gerry Doyle, CEO of Tonkin, a multidisciplinary engineering firm operating across Australia with both metropolitan and regional offices.
Gerry shares a deeply personal and honest journey—from struggling with depression and low emotional intelligence early in life, to becoming a highly empathetic and self-aware leader. His experience shaped a leadership style grounded in understanding people, not just technical performance.
Key Themes & Takeaways:
1. People > Technical Skills
While engineering is technical, success ultimately comes down to people—communication, relationships, and emotional intelligence.
2. What Great Teams Look Like
Gerry follows a simple but powerful framework:
- Hungry (drive and ambition)
- Humble (team-first mindset)
- Smart (emotionally intelligent, not just technically capable)
3. Emotional Intelligence Can Be Learned
Unlike common belief, EQ isn’t fixed. Gerry developed it through lived experience, therapy, and intentional learning—proving it’s a skill anyone can build.
4. Leadership Isn’t One-Size-Fits-All
Gerry challenges the stereotype of the “charismatic CEO.”
Instead, he focuses on:
- Building strong teams
- Creating environments of trust and belonging
- Showing up authentically (not performatively)
5. Psychological Safety is Individual
What makes one person feel safe may not work for another.
Great leaders adapt their approach to individuals, not apply a blanket style.
6. AI Won’t Replace Human Skills
AI will improve efficiency, but:
- Understanding people
- Interpreting needs
- Building relationships
These remain fundamentally human and critical.
7. Career Growth Evolution
Careers move from:
- Technical mastery →
- People leadership →
- Business and strategic thinking
The biggest growth comes when you lean into the human side of work.
Connect and Follow Gerry Doyle:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerry-doyle/
Website: http://www.tonkin.com.au/
Chapters:
00:00 – Introduction to Gerry Doyle & Tonkin
02:30 – Engineering, regional presence & business growth
08:00 – AI, communication & the human advantage
15:30 – Productivity, leadership habits & boundaries
17:30 – Career journey: from podiatry to engineering
22:00 – Mental health, depression & leadership growth
35:00 – Learning, books & personal development
39:00 – Redefining the “CEO” identity
42:00 – Expectations, pressure & authenticity
50:00 – Psychological safety & high-performing teams
01:01:00 – Leading people through real life challenges
01:04:00 – Final reflections on leadership & impact
Sound Bites / Quotes:
• “I’m not a typical CEO… I can only do it my way.”
• “Depression has been my biggest teacher.”
• “People like dealing with people — they want to be seen and understood.”
• “Not everyone is going to be well put together every day — and that’s okay.”
• “Psychological safety for one person can be unsafe for another.”
• “Leadership is about creating a place where people feel they belong.”
Referenced in This Episode
- The Four Stages of Psychological Safety – Timothy R. Clark
https://www.amazon.com/Four-Stages-Psychological-Safety-Inclusion/dp/1523087684 - Patrick Lencioni – The Ideal Team Player (Hungry, Humble, Smart)
https://www.tablegroup.com/product/ideal-team-player/ - Concepts discussed:
- Psychological Safety
- Cognitive Diversity
- Emotional Intelligence (EQ)
- Neurodiversity in the workplace
Gerry Doyle’s Top 10 Leadership & Personal Growth Books
- Emotional Agility – Susan David
https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Agility-Get-Unstuck-Embrace/dp/1592409490 - Quiet – Susan Cain
https://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Power-Introverts-World-Talking/dp/0307352153 - Care to Dare – George Kohlrieser
https://www.amazon.com/Care-Dare-Unleashing-Potential-Performance/dp/1119968704 - Drive – Daniel H. Pink
https://www.amazon.com/Drive-Surprising-Truth-About-Motivates/dp/1594484805 - The Advantage – Patrick Lencioni
https://www.tablegroup.com/product/advantage/ - Grit – Angela Duckworth
https://www.amazon.com/Grit-Passion-Perseverance-Angela-Duckworth/dp/1501111108 - Love + Work – Marcus Buckingham
https://www.amazon.com/Love-Work-How-What-Matters/dp/164782196X - The Gifts of Imperfection – Brené Brown
https://www.amazon.com/Gifts-Imperfection-Think-Supposed-Embrace/dp/159285849X - Dare to Lead – Brené Brown
https://www.amazon.com/Dare-Lead-Brave-Conversations-Hearts/dp/0399592520 - Think Again – Adam Grant
https://www.amazon.com/Think-Again-Power-Knowing-What/dp/1984878107
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